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and boehner, speaker john boehner, spoke today and said, wait, just cool your jets. we've got a lot of negotiating to do. they're not going to let that happen. but the stock market may be telling us that the house in checkmate will wind up with a recession from the fiscal cliff. in other words, no deal making means bad recession. is that a scenario -- is that what the market's telling us? >> i think you're dead on. if you look at what's happened, real incomes have fallen much more during the recovery than they did during the preceding recession. 4.8% down versus 2.7% down. unemployment is higher now than when the president first took office. what's made people feel good is a rising stock market. they felt wealthier. now with all these big tax increases coming on on capital gains and dividends, people don't feel that anymore. the significance of this poll, larry, is it's the first poll taken after the election. and the rhetoric has been very strong, also from harry reid. remember, when it looked like romney might win, he said there's going to be in reaching across the
and boehner, speaker john boehner, spoke today and said, wait, just cool your jets. we've got a lot of negotiating to do. they're not going to let that happen. but the stock market may be telling us that the house in checkmate will wind up with a recession from the fiscal cliff. in other words, no deal making means bad recession. is that a scenario -- is that what the market's telling us? >> i think you're dead on. if you look at what's happened, real incomes have fallen much more during...
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boehner are accurate, the dems are moving away from that. the president and the democrats seem to be moving away from that. why do you think that is, and is this important? >> let's assume for a second the president is right and we need $1.5 trillion of revenue. now, i think there's a better way to get there and a different way to get there. the president, you know, i think is open to some of these ideas. but if we're going to have $1.5 trillion worth of revenue, we need about $3.5 trillion worth of real spending cuts. that would come from defense. it would come from entitlement programs. it would come from the other mandatory programs. that's what makes the most sense to take it from because those are the areas that are really growing at an accelerated rate, faster than the rate of growth of health care. i think that's doable. i think we can find the votes to do that because i think the american people are way ahead of the politicians. they realize we got a real problem in this country and we got to fix it. >> what do you think, senator? i
boehner are accurate, the dems are moving away from that. the president and the democrats seem to be moving away from that. why do you think that is, and is this important? >> let's assume for a second the president is right and we need $1.5 trillion of revenue. now, i think there's a better way to get there and a different way to get there. the president, you know, i think is open to some of these ideas. but if we're going to have $1.5 trillion worth of revenue, we need about $3.5...
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can boehner get there if that's the case? >> if you look at eliminations of deductions, exemptions, credits, it doesn't get to you where we need to comply with the budget control act so the fact that we are examining an opportunity to perhaps look at either on higher income earners, whether it's $1 million or higher as opposed to marrying ourselves to 250 is a step in the right direction. i think the fact that there is discussion on this front initiated by the speaker and behind closed doors we'll get in detail. for the first time we're close and why throw away the opportunity. >> can i just mention how many jokes joe would have made about being behind closeds doors and consummating and that whole thing and that's why joe needs to be on the show and he's not. i'm doing a poor job that he would have made seven or eight jokes would have been made. let me just ask jared, the 39.6 in my mind seems like it is a bottom line, a starting point an an end point for the president. can you envision a deal being done on the fiscal cliff t
can boehner get there if that's the case? >> if you look at eliminations of deductions, exemptions, credits, it doesn't get to you where we need to comply with the budget control act so the fact that we are examining an opportunity to perhaps look at either on higher income earners, whether it's $1 million or higher as opposed to marrying ourselves to 250 is a step in the right direction. i think the fact that there is discussion on this front initiated by the speaker and behind closed...
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i think john boehner has made some really good statements. i think the president has made some good statements. one of the things that i learned was that you have to keep a couple of things in mind. deficit reduction in the end is political poison for the people that have to vote for it and so we really need to encourage the public, not just the decision makers, but the public to understand that this is an exercise in short-term pain to get long-term gain. that the objective here is to get a growing economy, jobs created in the united states, get our economy moving robustly again and that we've got to get our budget straightened out to help do that. the other thing you have to remember is you've got 535 people in the congress. this is not just the leaders so the administration has got to engage a large number of those people, if not all of them, in an exercise where they analyze together the actual concrete steps you have to take to get the budget straightened out. >> problem is many of those members, or at least some of them, have spoken pub
i think john boehner has made some really good statements. i think the president has made some good statements. one of the things that i learned was that you have to keep a couple of things in mind. deficit reduction in the end is political poison for the people that have to vote for it and so we really need to encourage the public, not just the decision makers, but the public to understand that this is an exercise in short-term pain to get long-term gain. that the objective here is to get a...
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. >> if you saw a headline, boehner-obama to agree to long-term solution, you would hit buy first on com? >> we no longer have to worry about rising above? >> i think we'll see that as a joke. >> only up 3% to 5% between now and tuesday. that's not their focus. >> i understand. >> but remember when germany went down, when the german forces went down. those are countries that are dominated by rich people. a lot of those companies are plutocrasies. i think when their market went down, they said holy cow, maybe we ought to do something, maybe monty ought to get together, our country t.a.r.p., that first vote, i think people said, okay, i'm going to have to work the rest of my life, there goes my 401(k) and the congressmen rise above. i hope it doesn't take that. i hope it didn't. >> we do have some media news today, viacom is out with some numbers. >> viacom is not as bad as i had feared. the market numbers down about 6% for the company which is perhaps a little bit better than might have been expected. if you take a look over the last few weeks has been down somewhat dramatically. look
. >> if you saw a headline, boehner-obama to agree to long-term solution, you would hit buy first on com? >> we no longer have to worry about rising above? >> i think we'll see that as a joke. >> only up 3% to 5% between now and tuesday. that's not their focus. >> i understand. >> but remember when germany went down, when the german forces went down. those are countries that are dominated by rich people. a lot of those companies are plutocrasies. i think when...